Disponible. I hope one of the metrics you address will be the varying dust signatures of each muzzle break??? Just wanted to pass on the info on the angle of the Terminator brake. The Beast II brakes are ONLY available in 5/8x24. Someone else might chime in with an explanation though. I would be willing to bet that the latter is not true due to the different designs of the brakes. So that is roughly the same thing you’re asking … how much does the size of the hole matter. The difference being the way it secure the self timing brake. Think about how much copper comes off the jackets, and how much carbon you have to clean out of the barrel. Sniper’s Hide is a community of Snipers of all kinds, focusing on long range shooting, accuracy, and ballistics. RoboCop vs. Also, if you want to find out more about the different calibers, check out our comparisons of the 308 vs 30 06 and the 6 5 Creedmore vs 308 Winchester. I recorded 44 rounds, and it had an SD of 10.4 fps. Here is a recoil reduction comparison between the T2B Terminator Muzzle Brake & the TT Terminator muzzle brake on a Tikka T3 Lite 6.5 Creedmoor. And great question! The only thing that comes close are the Beast brakes by Muzzle brakes & more. I will sure keep that one in the back of my mind when around people with brakes…as is often the case in Africa shooting magnums. I’m obviously not trying to sell anything here, so you can take it or leave it. Thanks for chiming in, Jim. That was the Alamo Four Star Cowl Induction Muzzle Brake for all but the 308 Win, where the APA Fat B* did slightly better. To start viewing messages, select the forum that you want to visit from the selection below. Some of these, like the Tubb brake, can be used to tune the barrel harmonics by screwing it in and out and essentially adjusting the weight distribution of the barrel, which changes the vibrations. Reactions: calhunter805. Apparently they ‘tune’ the brake to your load. Nobody likes being next to “that guy” … of course sometimes I am that guy! CR, those are all good points. That can be thought of as tuning to a load, because the harmonics would be specific to a load. Update: The Alamo Four Star muzzle brake design was purchased by Masterpiece Arms, and is now sold as the MPA Cowl Induction Muzzle Brake. All Terminator Muzzle brakes have flats for a spanner and so they can easily be fitted by the gunsmith. and it self times on. Getting a T 4 Terminator brake for my 300 Norma build for sure . For more info, check out. Please be aware that this is a community forum. It’s controlled, but there could be more than a bullet and gas that comes out of the barrel. I have 5 of the T3 version of the brake on the calibres 204Ruger, 243Win, 260Rem, 308Win and 300WinMag and they are amazingly effective. I only found an improvement of 1-3% if a brake was 6mm rather than 30 caliber (7.62mm). OG10 SME. Thanks for the details. This does look appealing. Views: 314 moondog. Best For 308: Aero Precision - Lambda Prs65 Precision Muzzle Brake 6.5. That makes me feel a lot more comfortable. The SMR brake is a Lawton knock off and it will not perform at the level of the Beast or any other mentioned here so far. They're all loud in comparison to no brake, so noise isn't a concern for me. Hopefully those guys will be able to catch up soon. Personally, I’d be afraid it’s snake oil … but it certainly might not be. I’m not an academic guy, so I’m not trying to take a low-brow view of them, but I’m just suggesting you approach with caution. MovieMelee. There seems to be a strong correlation between the angle and overall rank. That was impressive! Great work as usual Cal and thank you for your time and effort. Here is another visualization of the overall ratings, including a photo of each brake. That surprised me. I’d really like to see the numbers on how the T3 stacks up against this lot. This is because a muzzle brake is decreasing the amount of gases that the bullet has to fight through in the early part of it’s flight, because it sends a portion of that gas to the sides, instead of it all being forced to exit along the bullet path. This results in a very neutral feel to the firing rifle unlike some brakes that depend primarily on the thrust effect. I just didn’t post any of that data (yet). It penetrated 2 shirts and caused a wound deep enough to see flesh.”. Just wanted to share this, because I thought it was helpful. Sep 24, 2012 374 108 49 Texas. Muzzle Brake Comparison Chart. Here is a summary of the underlying numbers behind the recoil signatures shown above. Based on the quality of those YouTube videos, it seems unlikely that those guys are more technologically advanced than the academic community. I’d imagine the demand after this series of posts might have overwhelmed them for the moment. The benefits of a break is clear but unfortunately using one in a match (non-PRS) sometimes brings on the ire of some of the other shooters, especially F-class shooters who cannot use a break and so is not used to them. Honestly, I’m not sure. By using a muzzle brake, we were able to tame the monster 300 Norma Mag so that it felt more like a bare muzzle 308 or 6.5 Creedmoor. Terminator muzzle brakes are the most effective muzzle brake on the planet. Next up, we have the best AR-10 muzzle brake that is considered the best for budget AR-10 owners. Wish I had a CNC machine! I told the manufacturer I wouldn’t write about it, because I didn’t think it was safe. I was wondering how much it mattered if you were using a generic 30 caliber brake on a 6mm or 6.5mm, compared to if you were to using a caliber-specific brake. Great Savings Free Delivery / Collection on many items To each his own. Both of the Alamo Four Star and American Precision Arms (APA) muzzle brakes seemed to outpace the others when it came to recoil reduction. I have run other brakes and the Terminator is by far the best brake. im considering a brake for my rifle, and leaning towards the csr only because the perceived sound to the shooter is quite a bit less. Lots of people have asked me about it. It sounds to me like you guys neglected to check your bore for obstructions…… Zero, and I mean ZERO muzzle jump with this brake! Just curious how effective this setup might be. You can help the Terminator Wiki by expanding it. I’m only a pilot but this seems obvious …its the light weight of the .308. As usual, a very useful review – keep up the great work! I personally are always double plugged (custom silicone plugs + electronic ear muffs) and so am not so affected. I’m just trying to give a balanced and responsible presentation of all the facts to help you make an informed decision. Its my favorite at the moment. Terminator muzzle brakes are the most effective muzzle brake on the planet. Your a very brilliant young man, keep up the great work! +1 on the Terminator brakes. on Oct 21. We were able to cut the recoil on a featherweight 308 Win to be much less than a hefty 6XC (roughly the same cartridge as a 243 Win). I used to not believe a brake or suppressor could make a rifle more accurate, but it actually is plausible. This isn’t a stock field test, but I thought that was interesting to note … and maybe an idea for a future project! Does a brake-mounted suppressor have less recoil than a thread-mounted suppressor? Granted, my gun is heavy with a 32" barrel and a A5 Supermag stock. Here is a cool photo of that period from Herra Kuulapaa (shared with permission), and he has a lot more photos like this on his website. But that’s probably why that ammo is so legendary. Comparing the T2 Terminator muzzle brake to other aftermarket brakes & the TRG one. The Lil Beast II brakes are ONLY available in 9/16x24 NOT 5/8x24. He had an angled brake and I got peppered in the face with some debris. Great questions! Looking for the most effective muzzle brake at reducing recoil. That brake is extremely effective but it gets its name honestly. If you’re not a benchrest guy, you likely wouldn’t notice any impact these muzzle brakes would have on accuracy. There are clearly downsides to rearward deflection of gases, but it also has a measurable influence on recoil reduction. The only thing that comes close are the Beast brakes by Muzzle brakes & more. It’s actually plausible that they could improve accuracy. Cal Zant is the shooter/author behind PrecisionRifleBlog.com. Thinking ahead as usual! One of the newer ones that wasn't out when that testing went down is the Area 419 Hellfire. I see you feature Greg Couper’s testing sled as one of your images, so no doubt you are aware of his products. When you drill into those individual results, you can see how the suppressor compared. I didn’t test accuracy with the brakes, because I couldn’t think of an objective way to do that. Super Baby Beast II. Just as a reminder, the 6XC was a Manner’s Carbon Fiber Stock, the 6.5 Creedmoor was a McMillan A5 Stock, the 308 was a standard Savage stock (not their AccuStock, but their cheapest stock), and the 300 Norma Mag was an Accuracy International AX chassis. They are machined from 304 Stainless Steel. Both should be proportional to the impulse (area under the force vs time curve), but would likely be the bigger difference that you might be expecting. Personality [edit | edit source] It can't be bargained with. on 10/6/2015. So I switched to the Mad Scientist and ran that for a while, also a good brake. Cons . Very sharp guy indeed.). In the context of recoil reduction, one bit of data I wish were available for comparison is brake-mounted suppressors and how they would perform in comparison to bare muzzle brakes and direct-thread mounted suppressors. T7 Brake The T7 Terminator muzzle brake was designed by request for .416 Barrett to 50 BMG on barrels up to 50mm muzzle diameter. Your test protocol seems to be a tool licensable to this small industry and also to the internal baffle structure of suppressors. It penetrated 2 shirts and caused a wound deep enough to see flesh. I just try to post the data exactly as it was recorded. It would seem that the proper fit would have an effect on the efficiency of the brake. Not as loud as I thought and the recoil was very soft with little job. Standard hole size 6mm, must be opened up to correct calibre by a Gunsmith. We’re not exactly sure what happened, but it was some of the first shots out of that Savage rifle. I’m not sure what tuning it to a load would mean. I appreciate you sharing your experience! The TF Terminator muzzle brake is KG Gunkoted Black & opened out as standard to take a maximum calibre of the .338 Lapua Magnum. Thanks for the effort on this very detailed study. Figurine Ultimate Future RoboCop articulée taille env. and decided to put all JB's on all my guns. But, just because I don’t understand it doesn’t mean it won’t work! CHECK LATEST PRICE. Email me directly for inquiries Brian@Shoot-Long.com. The TF Terminator muzzle brake is KG Gunkoted Black & opened out as standard to take a maximum calibre of the .338 Lapua Magnum. At first I thought he was joking, and then I thought we were going to the hospital! I’ve seen this more than once and know guys who have been shooting on the line and stuck with carbon chunks that drew blood. Agrandir l'image. I love The Terminator (actually prefer it to T2 in some ways) but this isn't close. … 4 degrees might sound tiny, but its plausible that it could result in a measurable difference. Momentum is just mass times velocity. Silver $$ Contributor . I do believe this to be an important consideration, and I’d be curious to see how each muzzle break ranks in this department. Or any caliber, if you just have a large barrel. I’m considering buying a Dead Air Sandman-S as my next suppressor, and they have an interesting brake design. There are a few to choose from. Those still might not be as high as you’d expect, but they are in the same ballpark of what the JBM recoil calculator predicts for the Free Recoil Impulse. If you are looking on buying guides for other 6.5 Creedmoor parts, click here for our bolt carrier group round-up. Catégorie: Robocop. You can see how the Beast performs next to most of the brakes mentioned and for my money there is nothing better out there right now, it matches the best in recoil reduction but the unique port design puts it over the top! A great example is the surprising data showing that caliber-specific brakes were only 1-3% more effective than a generic 30 caliber equivalent. Compare tech specs and prices.⭐ Video reviews. I was a little disappointed to hear that the suppressor did very little to combat muzzle movement and now curious about felt recoil compared to a brake. T4 Brake T4 Terminator muzzle brakes are designed for .338 Lapua Magnum to 375/408 Cheytac, On barrels with a muzzle diameter to 29mm.3/4×24, 5/8×24 threads. Want to be the first to know when the next set of results is posted? Rank This Matchup. I believe much of that is correlated to stock design. Trijicon Ventus: Measuring Range AND WIND! All I can say for sure is that is what was recorded, so that’s what I’m presenting. Etc. Yikes. My question is did you add a suppressor in with these test like you did the muzzle movement test. Thanks for the kind words. I’m out of ideas, any other explanation for 308 being weird? I’m going to post those results soon, and I will point out the correlation with recoil in that post. But, we can still learn stuff from recoil numbers. I don’t want to present this as “right or wrong.” It’s up to each shooter to strike the right balance for their application. Tweet Partager Pinterest . That isn’t the same as when you’re firing a rifle (your shoulder is supporting the rifle from the rear), and it isn’t the same as what this test was (rigid steel base supporting rifle from rear). Glad you find the approach helpful. You can view those results here: Greg from Terminator Products recently sent me a cool video of a test he did with a few of these brakes. I know there are a ton of sharp engineers that read this, so maybe someone else will chime in. Very impressive. Those unique quirks in the recoil signatures were consistent for a given rifle, even when using different muzzle brakes. Terminator Salvation (2009) Terminator Salvation's most admirable virtue is that it broke the mold of the first three films and tried to tell a different kind of story. +1 on the Terminator brakes. I wish I had the answers. Both are very good and both are very close in price. The Hellfire was a little easier to setup. So if your brake diverted 50% of the gasses, then a cartridge with 3 lbf-s gas and 1 lbf-s bullet would have 2.5 lbf-s after the brake, while one with 2lbf-s for gas and bullet would have 2.0 lbf-s after the brake even though they had the same starting impulse. ( 7.7 oz. Funny you should ask, Kevin! Danny1788 Well-Known Member. That also could explain the difference in performance you mentioned over the APA design, which features 30 degree baffles. Ports are 90 degrees to the ground to minimize debris disturbance. I've run the others (Hellfire, LB, SAS, SF etc.) The Terminator figurine Ultimate Future RoboCop NECA. Sir, Nothing on any sled test can beat it. 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